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[Qeit]

How about my idea "Risen Caustic Column" (T1 anti-armor) for all Epsilon? See the details here: https://forums.revor...36#entry1103653

Oh, I remember that wall of text. It was impossible to read that all. You are really unkind to your readers.

That said, I don't see any reason to add new defensive structures to SC or HQ (well, except naval one ). And you proposed pretty much antitank flame tower, which isn't something, that PC needs in my opinion. It should be built like normal structure/defense.

 

Is there a way to know what is the tier of each structure and trainables? Wanna know which ones get disabled at what level.

Wikia, I guess. I wish Speeder would add that info on mentalomega.com though.

 

 

I can't see it returning to the Epsilon in the future however, since there'd logistically and realistically be no room for the Slave Miner in the Epsilon Arsenal. The only way I could see it reasonably appearing in any non-custom map, is through crates.

That's simple. Not enough miners, so used everything that could be used. Including human slaves, mind controlled humans, specifically mutated humans (immune to genetical mutations kind of weapon). They not used everywhere (because there is no reason), but can be manufactured and used on the battlefield if such need arise.

Edited by Qeit, 06 April 2020 - 03:51 PM.

[Zhang Jian]

 

How about my idea "Risen Caustic Column" (T1 anti-armor) for all Epsilon? See the details here: https://forums.revor...36#entry1103653

Oh, I remember that wall of text. It was impossible to read that all. You are really unkind to your readers.

That said, I don't see any reason to add new defensive structures to SC or HQ (well, except naval one ). And you proposed pretty much antitank flame tower, which isn't something, that PC needs in my opinion. It should be built like normal structure/defense.

 

Use "Ctrl + F" to search, then you can easily find the information you need.

 

I introduce Risen Caustic Column and Risen Nutrient Column to replace Risen Inferno Tower for all three Epsilon subfactions.

 

Neither Caustic Column nor Nutrient Column is self-destructive.

 

Now each faction has its T1 anti-armor defense “tower”: Anti-tank Mine (Allied), Battle Bunker (Soviet), Caustic Column (Epsilon), Gun Turret (Foehn).

 

As HK's Flame Tower is concerned, now it is T2 "defense tower" (called from Guerrilla Facilities) and quite different from Caustic Column.

 

About AC's new naval unit, I do create one -- Nightmare to replace Resheph.

 

Come on, any good strategy game is a delicate system and beyond any single person's ability. I always focus on the SYSTEM, which is above this unit or that building. That's why my paper needs more than 20 thousands of words (part of which is quoting others). I once wrote an article on how to improve the system of "Heroes of Might and Magic 3", which had more than 50 thousands of Chinese characters (≈ 100 thousands of English words in length). And it has attracted a branch of readers, who have given many thoughtful comments and helped me a lot. I expect more reviews (including critiques) about my MO paper.

[Handepsilon]

 

Now each faction has its T1 anti-armor defense “tower”: Anti-tank Mine (Allied), Battle Bunker (Soviet), Caustic Column (Epsilon), Gun Turret (Foehn).

But Epsilon already has T1 anti-armor defense tower

 

It's called the Tank Bunker, which buffs the tank inside (ROF and range iirc)

 

Come on, any good strategy game is a delicate system and beyond any single person's ability. I always focus on the SYSTEM, which is above this unit or that building. That's why my paper needs more than 20 thousands of words (part of which is quoting others). I once wrote an article on how to improve the system of "Heroes of Might and Magic 3", which had more than 50 thousands of Chinese characters (≈ 100 thousands of English words in length). And it has attracted a branch of readers, who have given many thoughtful comments and helped me a lot. I expect more reviews (including critiques) about my MO paper.

 

If you format it much better, then maybe they can read it better.

Edited by Handepsilon, 08 April 2020 - 05:06 AM.

[flack]

Add some humanitarian missions against the atrocities committed by Yuri.

[Zhang Jian]

 

 

Come on, any good strategy game is a delicate system and beyond any single person's ability. I always focus on the SYSTEM, which is above this unit or that building. That's why my paper needs more than 20 thousands of words (part of which is quoting others). I once wrote an article on how to improve the system of "Heroes of Might and Magic 3", which had more than 50 thousands of Chinese characters (≈ 100 thousands of English words in length). And it has attracted a branch of readers, who have given many thoughtful comments and helped me a lot. I expect more reviews (including critiques) about my MO paper.

 

If you format it much better, then maybe they can read it better.

 

 

So your specific suggestions are ...

[flack]

Stalin's Organ: https://www.youtube....h?v=Cnzfh-uGvaY

[Handepsilon]

So your specific suggestions are ...

I can't believe I have to do this... but alright, I'll give a small example, based on the first Allied portion of your post

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1. The Allied Bloc (Allied)

1.0 General

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1.0.1 Structures

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• T1:
  • Power Plant
  • Barracks
  • Ore Refinery
  • War Factory
  • Navy Shipyard
  • Airbase (interchange with Soviet’s, but still $1500).
• T2:
  • Power Turbine (structure now, unlocked by either of the T2 lab -- either Airbase or Remote Command / Satellite Uplink / Shield Institute)
  • Runway (T2 & Structure now, unlocked by Airbase)
  • Avant-garde Skyscraper ($2250, unlocking some T3 & T2)
  • Experimental Warpshop ($2250, unlocking some T3 & T2, allowed to be built more than one).
• T3:
  • Deposit Bank (replace Ore Purifier, only $40 per 100 frames -- zj 1.1.5)
  • Chronosphere (Superweapon)
  • Weather Controller (Superweapon).

 

1.0.2 Defenses

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• T1:
  • Concrete Walls
  • Gate
  • Pillbox
  • Anti-tank Mine (new)
  • Patriot Missiles.
• T2:
  • Prism Tower.
• T3:
  • Grand Cannon
  • Gap Generator.

1.0.3 Infantry

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• T1:
  • GI
  • GGI
  • Engineer
  • Attack Dog.
• T2:
  • Field Medic (unlocked by Remote Command / Satellite Uplink / Shield Institute)
  • Navy Seal (unlocked by Remote Command / Satellite Uplink / Shield Institute, C4 against vehicles, vessels, buildings and mines, uncrushable by normal vehicles, HP+)
  • Rocketeer
  • Siege Cadre.
• T3:
  • Spy
  • Chrono Legionnaire.

1.0.4 Vehicles

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• T1:
  • Chrono Miner
  • Robot Tank (no longer anti-cloak)
  • Archon IFV (common now).

 

• Stolen Tech
  • Quickshifter (from Allied)
  • Chrono Prison (from Epsilon, omnicrush -- zj 1.1.6)
  • Future Tank (from Foehn, anti-disguise instead of anti-cloak -- zj 1.1.6).

1.0.5 Aircraft

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• T1:
  • Osprey (from Destroyer).
• T2:
  • Stallion (unlocked by Remote Command / Satellite Uplink / Shield Institute; HP 700=Cargo Plane).
• T3:
  • Barracuda
  • Cryocopter
  • Hummingbird
  • Black Widow (from support power)
  • Hornet UAV (from Aircraft Carrier)

 

• Stolen Tech:
  • Lionheart (from Soviet, immune to EMP, boosted by Tesla Overcharge).

1.0.6 Navy

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• T1:
  • Voyager
  • Destroyer
• T2:
  • Aegis Cruiser
  • Dolphin (unlocked by Remote Command / Satellite Uplink / Shield Institute)
• T3:
  • Aircraft Carrier
  • Battleship

1.0.7 Support powers

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• T1:
  • Scan
  • Detect Pulse (now from Airbase, revealing cloaked units and subs).
• T2:
  • Black Widow ($800, no more jamming)
  • Radar Jamming ($600?, directly targetting an enemy’s radar to jam it [Plan A] or to jam all enemies’ radars [Plan B])
  • Backwarp
  • Chronolift
• T3:
  • Warp Miner (from Deposit Bank, only one Chrono Miner, $0)
  • Chronoshift (superweapon, teleport both friendly infantry and vehicles)
  • Lightning Storm (superweapon).

1.1 Pacific Armies (PA)

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1.1.1 Structures

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• T1 :
  • Remote Command (1. a shorter and better name for “Robot Ops Control Center”, 2. to avoid mislinking Tomahawk Powersuit with PA).

1.1.2 Defenses

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• T1:
  • Zephyrobot (from support power).
• T2:
  • Cryo Mine (from Tora).
• T3:
  • Skyray.

1.1.3 Infantry

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• T3:
  • Sniper (PA now, able to fire from opentopped transports -- how about decreasing both the damage and the cooldown? -- zj 1.1.4)
  • Norio (hero, invisible on enemy radar)
  • Zhang-Jian (hero, new, Aether bow, the pronunciations of “Zhang (張)” and “Jian (箭)” are [tʂɑŋ55] and [tɕiæn51] respectively).

1.1.4 Vehicles

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• T1:
  • Kappa Tank.
• T2:
  • Zephyr
  • PA MCV (unlocked by either Airbase or Remote Command).
• T3:
  • Hailstorm
  • Blizzard Tank
  • Battle Tortoise (preloaded with 2 ggis? -- zj 1.1.5, this idea comes from @ 你咋不上天啊hh).

1.1.5 Aircraft

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• T1:
  • Black Eagle (I’ll explain why Black Eagle is T1 not T2)
  • Hunter-Seeker (from support power).
• T2:
  • Tora (虎, new pad airplane, to bury Cryo Mines anywhere, invisible on enemy radar, unlocked by Remote Command).
• T3:
  • Hailjet (from Hailstorm).

1.1.6 Navy

 

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1.1.7 Support powers

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• T1:
  • Hunter-Seeker ($1000?, fixed number of three, from and only from Remote Command, invulnerable, no more Sunburst laser, target order: building → armored unit → infantry -- zj 1.1.4)
  • Zephyrobot.

1.2 North America (NA)

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1.2.1 Structures

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• T2:
  • Satellite Uplink.

1.2.2 Defenses

 

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1.2.3 Infantry

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• T3:
  • Riot Trooper
  • Tanya (hero/heroine, invisible on enemy radar, Laser rifle + Ultimate C4 -- just a new name to distinguish Tanya’s from others’, clear garrisoned structures from range 9 -- zj 1.1.4).

1.2.4 Vehicles

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• T1:
  • Bulldog.
• T2:
  • Tomahawk Powersuit (new version, NA & T2 now, replacing #Humvee)
  • NA MCV (unlocked by either Airbase or Satellite Uplink).
• T3:
  • Statue of Liberty Cannon (deployed to toggle between free fire and hold fire mode -- this idea comes from @瞌睡附图)
  • Abrams Tank
  • Aeroblaze (free mode and deployed mode)
  • Boidmachine (epic, new version, NA now, anti-air + omnicrush + siege + supporting Statue of Liberty Cannon).

1.2.5 Aircraft

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• T1:
  • Stormchild.
• T2:
  • Warhawk.

1.2.6 Navy

 

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1.2.7 Support powers

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• T1:
  • Target Painter
  • GPS Navigation (replace Chronoboost, NA only and T1 now).
• T3:
  • Boid Strike (from Boidmachine).

1.3 Euro Alliance (EA)

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1.3.1 Structures

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• T1:
  • Shield Institute (Under Professor Einstein’s guidance, it’d better be named as “Institute” rather than “Command”).

1.3.2 Defenses

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• T1:
  • Lightning Rod (from support power).
• T3:
  • Coordnode.

1.3.3 Infantry

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• T3:
  • Suppressor (EA now)
  • Siegfried (hero, Speed 5(teleport) -- his weapon may or may not need to be adapted accordingly).

1.3.4 Vehicles

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• T1:
  • Cavalier Tank.
• T2:
  • Mirage Tank
  • EA MCV (unlocked by either Airbase or Shield Institute).
• T3:
  • Prism Tank (anti-cloak)
  • Charon Tank (Temporal displacement device, i.e. attacking like Chrono Legionnaire IFV against ground units and buildings, but unable to teleport).

1.3.5 Aircraft

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• T1:
  • Harrier.
• T3:
  • Thor Gunship
  • Haloed Thor (epic, new, "Mjölnir" beacon + Loudspeaker, HP 2000?, Heavy Aircraft, invisible on enemy radar)

1.3.6 Navy

 

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1.3.7 Support powers

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• T1: Force Shield
• Lightning Rod ($500, no more providing Power, only supporting Thor and Haloed Thor, not self-destructing, unable to be called when in low power, but after being called, able to work even when in low power).

 

My personal opinion though is that even with just this portion, this sounds like waaaaaay too much rebalance tweak.

[Mr_DevilSmile]

Ideas to improve Blasticade:

 

1) Remove Bastion Wall and Blast Trench, add the Blast Wall. (Instead of filling your trench base in late game, let the walls do the work)

 

2) Change the Blast Trench for a Support Power. (Select an area on the map, you can build two Blast Trench pieces in the selected area. (I don't know if the game allows that))

 

3) That works the same as the PsiCorps Magnetic Beam. (Like a whirlwind going around the map hunting Kirov Airship. if it is very strong, it can only be done in an area around the blasticade, similar to Chronolift)

 

4) A power that only affects units affected by the Spinblades. (Similar to Zorbfloater, creates a sphere around units, which deals damage to enemy units. Power can function by selecting an area of the map or affecting all units affected by the Spinblades)

 

Maybe these ideas are bad, but Blasticade seems to me the least useful thing. Only in a challenge can it have real utility.

[legionnaire501]

personally the first idea seem like the best one as the second one seems like it would lower its usefulness even more and all the others immediately made me think of other units and abilities (megalodon megaarenas, alanqa tornadoes and the chinese irradiation). that said rather then combine the two i would make it so that you could place the trenches into the walls that way you could use them as impromptu gates as well and wont have gaps in your defence

[Zhang Jian]

1. Thanks very much. I’ve adopted your advice on the layout. Alas, the post here doesn’t look the same as in my MS Word. For example, the row space turns a bit broad, when a paragraph begins with a dot.

 

2.

 

 

Now each faction has its T1 anti-armor defense “tower”: Anti-tank Mine (Allied), Battle Bunker (Soviet), Caustic Column (Epsilon), Gun Turret (Foehn).

But Epsilon already has T1 anti-armor defense tower

 

It's called the Tank Bunker, which buffs the tank inside (ROF and range iirc)

If you format it much better, then maybe they can read it better.

 

Do you really think Tank Bunker is an anti-armor tower?!

 

FYI: I do say "Now each faction has its T1 anti-armor defense “tower”: Anti-tank Mine (Allied), Battle Bunker (Soviet), Caustic Column (Epsilon), Gun Turret (Foehn)." However, "Battle Bunker", both in my version and in the upcoming 3.3.5, will be preloaded with 2 Flak Troopers.

[Handepsilon]

Do you really think Tank Bunker is an anti-armor tower?!

 

If Battle Bunker filled with flak troopers count as T1 anti-armor, then why can't Tank Bunker filled with MBT count as one?

 

B'sides, everyone who played Epsilon enough knows well that Archers do much better job than any form of turrets in repelling tanks. Sure they're not as mobile as actual tanks, but stationary defenses are immobile to begin with anyways

Edited by Handepsilon, 04 May 2020 - 03:53 AM.

[Zhang Jian]

If Battle Bunker filled with flak troopers count as T1 anti-armor, then why can't Tank Bunker filled with MBT count as one?

 

B'sides, everyone who played Epsilon enough knows well that Archers do much better job than any form of turrets in repelling tanks. Sure they're not as mobile as actual tanks, but stationary defenses are immobile to begin with anyways

 

1 Although Caustic Column is a stationary defense, Risen Caustic Column and Risen Nutrient Column are support power, replacing Risen Inferno.

 

2 Tank Bunker preloaded with MBT is a clumsy design.

2.1 SC, PC and AC have different MBTs; whereas HK, RK and KK share the same Flak Trooper.

2.2 Even Mantis + Tank Bunker is too expensive, comparing with two Flak Troopers + Battle Bunker.

2.3 A Tank Bunker merely has one slot; while a Battle Bunker has as many as six slots.

2.4 Because of 2.2 and 2.3, your proposal reduces player’s strategy set (i.e. choices).

 

3 The much better design is Bloodhounds + Quick Fort, as I’ve said in may paper:

 

        Bloodhounds (SC now, from Aerodome, 1 Speeder Trike + 2 Mantis Tanks + 2 Gatling Tanks + 1 Stinger, $3000, Note: Bloodhounds and Quick Fort deserve one another; “Scorpion Cell can overwhelm their enemies with sheer numbers”)

 

        Tip: 1. Let your opponent infiltrate your Fake Aerodome (with the help of Mind Reader), then catch your opponent off guard (Bloodhounds + Toxic Mine Paradrop). 2. Only build the cheap Fake Aerodome to feint.

 

I invite you to review the relevant parts.

[Zharakov]

On the topic of tank bunkers, i'd like to suggest either-

 

1. Tanks placed there get additional attack damage (Since its pretty much infantry "garrisoning" minus the added attack damage they get).

2. Any tank can enter it. (Geheva Platform x Tank Bunker )

3. Both.

 

Since NOBODY actually uses tank bunkers, this might make it more appealing to people.

[Zharakov]

For Blasticade...

 

I dont know what to do with it, my probable suggestion is to somehow make building the actual wall of the Blasticade quicker? or maybe instead of an actual structure, a wall of blasticade gas (whatever u call it) can appear anywhere in the battlefield to deny entry, sort of like a force shield that denies entrance to certain locations.

 

Along with that, it shouldn't be terrain exclusive, meaning hills and cliffs can still be blasticated. This fits the "denial of entrance" motive that the blasticade originally has. 

[Handepsilon]

On the topic of tank bunkers, i'd like to suggest either-

 

1. Tanks placed there get additional attack damage (Since its pretty much infantry "garrisoning" minus the added attack damage they get).

2. Any tank can enter it. (Geheva Platform x Tank Bunker )

3. Both.

 

Since NOBODY actually uses tank bunkers, this might make it more appealing to people.

1. They do, I think. But what I'm sure is that they get increased attack speed and more attack range, which also makes it a viable anti-spy turret if you garrison it with stingers

2. Unfortunately I think that's impossible given its' mechanic. Iirc, it's tied to turret-based attacks.

 

EDIT : nvm, they lost that fire rate upgrade in last update, but their damage increase is raised from 1.25 to 1.4

Edited by Handepsilon, 06 May 2020 - 02:19 AM.

[Tathmesh]

Maybe a better idea for balancing tank bunkers is to allow less types of tanks to enter the bunker, rather than more?

Battle bunkers are good because they dramatically improve the DPS of 6 shitty conscripts or flak troopers. Whereas for tank bunkers, the DPS gains don't seem to be noticeable.

It might be bad to do blanket increase on the tank bunker's DPS, because then T3 tanks in bunkers might be overpowered. Can you imagine a Tesla Cruiser or Abrams with battle bunker attack speed?

If Ares allows you to set different modifiers for different tanks inside a tank bunker, then maybe you could just buff T1 in bunkers to give Epsilon a nice early game anti-armor option. Otherwise, maybe you could only allow T1 vehicles inside a tank bunker and give huge bonuses similar to a battle bunker.

[Mr_DevilSmile]

Do you want to use tank bunker? the occupier of a Bunker self-repairs.

[Zharakov]

 

On the topic of tank bunkers, i'd like to suggest either-

 

1. Tanks placed there get additional attack damage (Since its pretty much infantry "garrisoning" minus the added attack damage they get).

2. Any tank can enter it. (Geheva Platform x Tank Bunker )

3. Both.

 

Since NOBODY actually uses tank bunkers, this might make it more appealing to people.

1. They do, I think. But what I'm sure is that they get increased attack speed and more attack range, which also makes it a viable anti-spy turret if you garrison it with stingers

2. Unfortunately I think that's impossible given its' mechanic. Iirc, it's tied to turret-based attacks.

 

EDIT : nvm, they lost that fire rate upgrade in last update, but their damage increase is raised from 1.25 to 1.4

 

 

Doesn't Ares have a mechanic that can work around that? 

 

I'd either go with that, making the tank bunker accessible to most tanks (making also the damn gehenna sort of useful for once), or huge damage increases and fire rate increases but only available to t1 vehicles.

 

Both Epsilons Inferno tower and Antares battery both do splash damage, whilst the other factions have defenses that do high dps to single units, upgrading the tank bunker should balance this out.

[Zhang Jian]

Do you think Allied's, Soviet's and Epsilon's T3 Defend Towers need to be (more) different from each other? If so, what's your idea? If not, why?

[Zharakov]

Do you think Allied's, Soviet's and Epsilon's T3 Defend Towers need to be (more) different from each other? If so, what's your idea? If not, why?

I think they're already as different as they can get, Prism Tower has linking effect, Tesla Coils can get a boost by tesla troopers, and Inferno tower well does splash damage lol.

 

Not sure if its either that you meant or the Antares battery, grand cannon, etc.

 

In that case those defenses really need some sort of difference lol that sets them apart from each other, i honestly can't tell the difference between the grand cannon, hammer defense, and antares, i literally DON'T notice it (except that maybe Antares does less damage to infantry than the other 2).