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[PACER]

PACER, check my last post

 

I did it again. This time I left him with T2 T3 and two Nuclear Reactors ensuring his power. The AI sold out for a second time.

 

In case it really matters:

 

UIGameMode=Standard

UIMapName=(2) Bay War

ShortGame=True

Superweapons=True

MCVRedeploy=True

BuildOffAlly=True

Crates=False

NavalCombat=False

AlliesAllowed=True

StolenTech=True

MentalAI=False

LimitedMCV=False

ImmuneDerricks=False

FreeRadar=False

NoSpawnPreviews=False

ConYardStart=False

TechLevel=10

FogOfWar=No

MultiEngineer=Yes

 

Haihead(player) vs Russia(easy AI)

[PACER]

Actually Divine is correct. If you knock the power out, however, the AI can't use their support powers, which equals to not having any support powers. That can lead to sellout.

I used paradrop support power to keep my AI from selling out in some of my co-ops. It works well
 

Idle Gossip doesnt have radar either, but you can cap allied airforce HQ to get one and i believe thats what you are suppose to do anyway.

 
It's not. If you play 3.0 when Radar Tower is not replaced by Field Bureau yet, you'll notice how you can get radar as normal.

 

Tech Airfield's case is a little more complicated. The structure itself is a production building. What prevents a player from building jets directly is the Prerequisite=GAAIRC defined in the jets' rules. Which, you know, AI ignores.

 

As a result, AI considers itself still in possession of a production building and won't resign.

 

For comparison, check out how AI sells out with a Tech Airport (which provides a SW but cannot build anything) in hand in RA2.

Edited by PACER, 12 March 2018 - 05:33 AM.

[Handepsilon]

Actually... I didn't put the paradrop special on Tech Airport. I put it in an off-map Soviet Watch Tower using ini-editing.

 

Just a little trivia, during my testing of Traitorous Water, since AI doesn't really train anything because I didn't tell him to, he sells even his production buildings after I hammered his base a few times

Edited by Handepsilon, 12 March 2018 - 05:57 AM.

[PACER]

Actually... I didn't put the paradrop special on Tech Airport. I put it in an off-map Soviet Watch Tower using ini-editing.

 

Just a little trivia, during my testing of Traitorous Water, since AI doesn't really train anything because I didn't tell him to, he sells even his production buildings after I hammered his base a few times

IIRC AIs are never programmed to do so unless when low on funds.

[Divine]

I've noticed that in Infantry Only, the support weapon provided by the Tech Reinforcements pad is completely overwritten to do exactly the same thing as the Paradrop provided by the Tech Airfield.

Spoiler

; Tech Reinfo Pad gives infantry

[ReinfoPadSpecial]

ParaDrop.Count=1

ParaDrop.UnitedStates.Types=E1,GGI

ParaDrop.UnitedStates.Num=6,2

ParaDrop.Europeans.Types=E1,GGI

ParaDrop.Europeans.Num=6,2

ParaDrop.Pacific.Types=E1,GGI

ParaDrop.Pacific.Num=6,2

ParaDrop.USSR.Types=E2,FLAKT

ParaDrop.USSR.Num=8,4

ParaDrop.Latin.Types=E2,FLAKT

ParaDrop.Latin.Num=8,4

ParaDrop.Chinese.Types=E2,FLAKT

ParaDrop.Chinese.Num=8,4

ParaDrop.PsiCorps.Types=INIT,HARP

ParaDrop.PsiCorps.Num=6,2

ParaDrop.ScorpionCell.Types=INIT,HARP

ParaDrop.ScorpionCell.Num=6,2

ParaDrop.Headquaters.Types=INIT,HARP

ParaDrop.Headquaters.Num=6,2

ParaDrop.Guild1.Types=KNIGHT,COVE

ParaDrop.Guild1.Num=3,1

ParaDrop.Guild2.Types=KNIGHT,COVE

ParaDrop.Guild2.Num=3,1

ParaDrop.Guild3.Types=KNIGHT,COVE

ParaDrop.Guild3.Num=3,1

 

I don't think this is a good practice. Should a map have both a Tech Airfield and a Tech Reinforcement Pad, a player who captures both will be met with two completely identical support powers. It would be much better to simply overwrite the Tech Reinforcement Pad's support pwoer to be the Paradrop in this mode.

Spoiler

[CATPAD]

SuperWeapon=ParaDropSpecial

 

Furthermore, I think it would be a good idea to overwrite the Tech Airfield in this gamemode to become a Tech Reinforcement Pad clone, similarly to how for example the Tech Machine Shop is overwritten to become a Tech Field Hospital. Although the AI building aircraft in Infantry Mode on these structures seems to be fixed now, they are still... well, airfields. And having both Airfields and Reinforcement Pad on the same map would be very much redundant in this gamemode.

 

And there's another thing: although I completely disagree with removing the Tech Base Expansion Post's ability to repair vehicles in Infantry Only (I like to have the ability to repair my damaged miners), if you insist on keeping it this way, there's really no reason the building should have that circle marker thing around it with the spanners.

Edited by Divine, 12 March 2018 - 01:26 PM.

[Speeder]

ReinfoPad spawns a free infantry drop at its location. That's not how Paradrop works.

[Divine]

ReinfoPad spawns a free infantry drop at its location. That's not how Paradrop works.

Oh, nvm then, my bad.

[Handepsilon]

That marker is to indicate the repair radius

[Divine]

That marker is to indicate the repair radius

But in 3.3.3 repair got removed from it in Infantry Only. There's nothing left to indicate in that mode.

 

 

EDIT: here's an idea for a new gamemode: 

Clone War

It would be a hybrid of Oil Control and Infantry Only. Clone War could be played on the same maps as Oil Control and Bounty Hunt, with the same tech as Infantry Only mode (-refineries). The twist is that the Tech Oil Derricks would be replaced with Tech Cloning Vats. Like derricks, or Epsilon's Cloning Vats, these would produce a steady flow of cash, as well as clones for every infantry trained, with the exception of heroes. Tech Cloning Vats would be captureable, would consume no power, and would be indestructiable in this mode.

Edited by Divine, 13 March 2018 - 06:22 PM.

[doctormedic]

 

That marker is to indicate the repair radius

But in 3.3.3 repair got removed from it in Infantry Only. There's nothing left to indicate in that mode.

 

 

EDIT: here's an idea for a new gamemode: 

Clone War

It would be a hybrid of Oil Control and Infantry Only. Clone War could be played on the same maps as Oil Control and Bounty Hunt, with the same tech as Infantry Only mode (-refineries). The twist is that the Tech Oil Derricks would be replaced with Tech Cloning Vats. Like derricks, or Epsilon's Cloning Vats, these would produce a steady flow of cash, as well as clones for every infantry trained, with the exception of heroes. Tech Cloning Vats would be captureable, would consume no power, and would be indestructiable in this mode.

 

A novel idea,but the issues with infantry only need to be resolved first or else we may have similiar issues here too.

[Divine]

A novel idea,but the issues with infantry only need to be resolved first or else we may have similiar issues here too.

I'm curious, in your oppinion what are the issues with Infantry Only? I too think that it could be improved. I'm actually working on an improved version. If it's allowed, maybe I'll release it too. Either way, I could use an outside perspective.

[Dawbra]

Heroes in insomnia die so fast, i even notice norio die just standing close to my base i guess from cold.

[Solais]

Norio dies easily because of Anti-Air Dybukk spawning from the holes endlessly, all focused on him.

[XoGamer]

I too have been thinking of a cool mode:

 

 

"Nomad" Mode:

Straight from AoE2, all the MCVs start in a random position around the map, if doable, where they can move and choose the best position to deploy.

 

Alternatively: the MCVs can all start inside a naval transport surrounding an Island in the same or nearby position that move to the main island or surrounding small islands to deploy.

 

I realised that there would be a need for many types of Islands or Random Islands for this to be possible, but even without random islands, this proposed mode would be ideal for those who get bored of the basic same map/same game every time and allows people to try and rush each other by deploying near each other or take weird positions on the map that might lead to a greater advantage later in the game.

 

 

EDIT: This could also be a huge singular multiplayer map

Edited by XoGamer, 14 March 2018 - 08:10 PM.

[Handepsilon]

Question : Are we going to see a Map Renderer for MO anytime soon?

[Speeder]

Maybe not soon but eventually.

[J00B]

Multi-base AI - check-able option for some game modes.

 

What: AI's will build MCVs and send them to available player locations to set up secondary bases (provided there are spaces, perhaps with a radius limit, so they don't try to setup right next to the player).

 

Why: For players that would rather not an initial onslaught of 7 brutal for example, can start with one which will eventually fan out. These secondary bases would produce units, however not as much as if they were seperate AI. The AI would be able to send new MCVs to places the player/AI has cleaned up necessitating the player to defend these places.

[mrvecz]

I too have been thinking of a cool mode:

 

 

"Nomad" Mode:

 

I was thinking about it too, but i fear making AI support for this would be nightmarish... or impossible

So it could be PvP only gamemode/map though

[doctormedic]

 

A novel idea,but the issues with infantry only need to be resolved first or else we may have similiar issues here too.

I'm curious, in your oppinion what are the issues with Infantry Only? I too think that it could be improved. I'm actually working on an improved version. If it's allowed, maybe I'll release it too. Either way, I could use an outside perspective.

 

I dont play infantry only too much but i can tell some factions got it easier than others,such as foehn knightframes which is the equivelent of having seals out in tier 1 and maybe finding another way of making miners without having to spam ore refineries.