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[AdmiralGT]

The tic tank doesnt need the entire front covered because it DIDNT go underground. The tic tank transformed into a turret that sat up vertically. The pincers at the front are perfectly adequate to dig into the ground and support its vertical position.

The Devils Tounge and APC DID go underground. In your pic there you can clearly see the "drill" parts take up the entire front of the tank. These also move in a direction to move soil from in front to behind.
The APC had a conventional screw shape and the drill spun when drilling.

I know realism cant be achieved to perfection, but at least try to think sensibly how something works.

[that?]

i personaly have seen things much more unreealistic than this burrowing tank cd has.
generals for example wasnt so realistic game if at all.

Edited by that?, 01 September 2004 - 09:33 AM.

[ComradeJ]

Half of Generals units exist in real life and most could perform their function as in the game. Ok, an Overlord is a tad big and Scorpions do a shitload of damage for WW-I tanks, but it's usefull wackyness. You couldn't leave out the Overlord because it's too heavy, because you'd screw up the fun the game gives.

Slighly related, maybe the CD guys should read this quote from Gamespy:
Listen, kids. There is exactly one mod that's ever had a real, numerically chartable, significant effect on a game's sales. I bet you can guess which one, right? Yeah, that would be Counter-Strike. And the secret to Counter-Strike's success? This is the one that people seem to overlook: Half-Life sold a gazillion copies before CS ever existed. There was already a user base. Yes, undoubtedly, CS has contributed to continued sales of Half-Life. Yes, it's made Valve several more piles of money to sleep on top of every night.

[that?]

agreed but that that gamespy quot related to cd?

i also think that ea did bad work since even the commanche in generals doesnt look like commanche in reality. many other units ea did looks stupid so they could atleast think on making them more realistic.
there are jhust things so damn stupid in this game that makes it funy. a tank with propaganda tower heals units? common it's so funny, they could atleast do medic or techican that can aid or repair.
the ghame was suposed to be fully based on reality but it didnt that is the matter.

[Allied General]

its actually fun though and you feel "part" of the war, you r in control, I hated the way in TS how you were "McNeil" or "Slavik"

Conflict Zone is "realistic" but its fun levels seriously wane .....

However there should be some real life logic applied to your ideas?

Is generals set present day? NO it is set a few years into the future.

Look how CNC1 and RA1 drew in millions of fans, simple brutal gameplay and some nice eye candy.

The true CNC fan may wow at the graphics at the 1st time but gameplay and story and more paramount and this is something that CD lacks ...

[that?]

i dont think cd will be worse than other cnc games, it however shows it will probably be much better than generals.

[Allied General]

generals kinda sucked but I enjoyed ZH.

The fact your entire game is based on the generals engine and the programming e.g. upgrades, graphical effects etc, you shouldn't be making such triumphant comments.

You betta put westwood studios in your credits list ...

[that?]

ww studios doesnt exist enymore :(

[ComradeJ]

Not officially, but it's crew is still alive...

[Godwin]

gosh darnit can this "that?" dude just shut up? he's getting on my nerves! LEARN SOME ENGLISH, AND LET THE TEAM SPEAK, STOP MAKING FOOLS OUT OF THEM

[that?]

interesting godwin, who said i making fool of them? and they can post things as they want.
btw godwin, show some little more respect for others.

[Agile]

What the fuck is going on here?

Lets take it from the top:

1) Why do you obviously think this Gideon guy is God. "Gideon said this" "Gideon said that" blablablababla.

2) The stuff isn't that good for the millionth time. This is going to sound incredibly egotistical of me, but I can and do model, texture, and shit out better quality stuff than that on a regular basis. And I'm not nearly good enough to have any kind of professional part in game development. So why do you act like the subpar stuff of CD is so great? Do you not look at any other mod? Look at some of the others in the community, and then CD.

3) Why would you post something not final for the public to see? When someone says its not great you just say "omg its not t3h final!1!!!" Fine, then don't show it until it is.

[Allied General]

also the fact u r asking for respect from godwin is a joke, u have to earn it.

He was ( and I think still is) a major contributor to Allies Revenge which is one of the best RA2/YR mods avaliable and on the derelict studios site if you look at True War and the modeling it looks amazing. He is also a veteran of the community (i.e. a significant amount of years) and you guys turn up and think u can go commerical.

Even Deezire who probably had the closest links with WW didn't bother commerically. Also more then likely everyone will download the mod like CS (the CS: CZ CD only has a singleplayer campaign)

Also as long as WW logo still appear in the opening you owe them credit.

We saw some fog wow, its weather, in ZH we have snow. We have a odd building and some wierd units.

I wouldn't be so annoyed with CD if you guys would just keep quiet and not think commerically.

Finally most people in the CNC community only want 2 things

1) respect
2) praise
3) people to enjoy there mod and give feedback

These are the 3 main factors which keep many into modding CNC.

Edited by Allied General, 24 September 2004 - 09:37 AM.

[that?]

there must be some misunderstanding.

I do have respect for the community and I myself helping to one mod.
for me cd looks exelent and I have the rigth to like it or not as well as enything else this why I post about cd.
I post about cd like many other mod team members who would like to give info on their mod this why i dont see this as a commercial act.

I dont think gideonx is a "god" but I mean by this he is extraordinery good at what he is doing.
my opinion however is that cd is "so good" since after looking at many pc games I often find they arnt satesfying and the work gideonx did till now looks not less satisfying.

About mods, I do like some mods but I dont like more mods than I like since not all mods looking good but I think enyone can work better and improve himeself then thier mods would look great.
ea did an job that many moderetors could do better, but cd isnt looking worse than other mods.

I often find that some mods better than others in diffrent aspects and those of the game generals himeself but this not meaning they must be better than cd. each creation - game, mod , tc or another is diffrent and has good and bad points. people can mistake in judging them but if the whole creation would look bad then most chances you wouldnt mistake.

If you think whole cd till now looks bad you must be wrong otherwise how would youy explain that we have more than 100 members at the forum. it cant be they all wrong!

Instead of saying "cd isnt finished yet so go home" you better support cd since it may beacome cd will be in the end what it was supposed to be and it will support mods.
think abouty it, why to be against cd if it wil be only profitable for the community , otherwise you must have thougth the oposite.

About saying it is very egoistic I think it isnt so, in eny way if I offended you or anyone else I ask apologize.

Edited by that?, 24 September 2004 - 11:32 AM.

[ComradeJ]

If you think whole cd till now looks bad you must be wrong otherwise how would youy explain that we have more than 100 members at the forum. it cant be they all wrong!

You don't really get it, do you? Some people just know what they're talking about, some don't. Only people with real experience in modding can actually judge right (not discriminating, but it just seems true mostly). Now if you think you can find people who better know what they're talking about than Godwin, Spiderman, Agile and whoever said he didn't like CD, you're pretty stupid.

A 100 people can most certainly be wrong. You say yourself that EA is not doing such a good job, yet thousands of people eagerly await their games.

And CD wouldn't have been so bad, if it didn't see itself as the best. "Saving the C&C franchise", yeah right. You just think up sucky sides and to get attention, you tell they're C&C's sides. "selling it to EA", not very likely. Change my 'not very likely' to 'as big a chance as George W. Bush winning the Nobel Peace Prize'...

[that?]

Do you think I hate ea games?
no I dont but I understand that their games could be better. many times I see how ea rushing games while many other companies concentreting on making their games good.
the result is ea succiding to brainwashing most of the gamers, buying companies to do for ea the job and making more sport games.

However as a gamer I always like to know about new interesting game as I will wait for the cnc3:tiberian twiligth but I fraid ea will again rush things and wont do this game how it should.

About cd, those people with real experience of moding can mistake too... what makes them so rigth? arnt they human and doing mistakes as us all?

Secondly, why godwin,spiderman,agile and whoever must to like cd?
most chances they wont and it is just beacause they see cd as competitor to their mods.

Cd isnt intended to save the cnc franchise but do you think ea did that? they only saved the cnc name but gived it to an not cnc related game and by this did to it more harm.
they also fired westwood and cenceled cnc3 and renagade 2.
so you think they will now make themselves cnc3 and renaged 2?
if they do it will look like many other games they did- they will more rush and concentrate making this game profitable the max it can. exactly like in generals when so many people didnt liked it.

Edited by that?, 24 September 2004 - 01:17 PM.

[Gamemate]

Well I usually don´t get into arguments like this but clearly you don´t know what you are talking about when you saying something like this

"Secondly, why godwin,spiderman,agile and whoever must to like cd?
most chances they wont and it is just beacause they see cd as competitor to their mods."

This is how I view it, CD do not have anyone with spiderman´s/agile´s modelling skills and far from Godwin´s 2d skills. So where is the competition? If you think that they are modding to compete you are dead wrong (if I am wrong correct me), most people mod for fun. One of the reasons that alot of people stopped modding RA2 lately.

"About cd, those people with real experience of moding can mistake too... what makes them so rigth? arnt they human and doing mistakes as us all?"

Everyone makes mistakes but most people learn from them. They might not always be right but it doesn´t hurt to listen to someone with more experience and learn from it.

I am just giving you my honest oppinion about it and I think most people agree with me on this.

My second thought is that you are messing up CD´s PR, like Godwin said let the team speak. I believe that they do not like this negative PR, I wouldn´t be happy if a none team member would do this to AR2.

My third thought is about the "EA bought WW" thing, that is how the world works and EA just plays along with the rules that are already set. They would be pretty dumb not to buy companies that does the hard work when other companies does the same thing. It might be wrong from a certain perspective but right from a other, I find it less wrong than right and I would have done the same thing.

Now don´t feel offended by any of this it is merely my oppinion about it.

[that?]

I agree with you.
meybe i shouldnt post about it but I just want peoples opinipon and now I get confused since so many like cd and so many others (mostly people who doing mod themselves) dont like it.
eventuly I want to hear the reason and what I get is bulshit from those people who dont like cd that trying to point on some points whitougth giving the general idea.

AND SOME NEWS ABOUT CD: NEW STAFF EXPECTED TO BE RELEASED SOON (THE INSIDERS CLUB AND MAYBE SOME MOVIES)

Edited by that?, 24 September 2004 - 03:27 PM.

[the_kid]

At first I had no problem with CD; I saw it as another mod in development that might be fun or might be bust... but was worth taking a look at, but as I learned more I learned that the people behind CD think themselves to be better than other mod projects and people in the community. The mod holds itself in a higher esteme... all these other mods are aiming towards making something fun for the Fan's of C&C games to play, and CD is saying they are better than the rest of the community and will become a full version game.

I don't dislike CD because of the way it looks or that it is in development... it was the way it was presented to me, with their ignorance and sense of higher esteem.

[ComradeJ]

Cd isnt intended to save the cnc franchise but do you think ea did that? they only saved the cnc name but gived it to an not cnc related game and by this did to it more harm.

At least EA clearly said their story and sides were not related to C&C at all. CD claims it's sides and story are C&C, whereas they don't like more like Nod to me than Generals' GLA.