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[pasiecaaL]

Is this the right place to ask how far this mod is?????

I,ve followed it for ages

[Uruk King]

There is no telling how far this mod is, it's been going for two years, and I don't think we're halfway there yet. My advice is to be more patient and use the waiting time to share you're interests among the people.

the idea of camels for the haradrim is a very good one, but stillif they ae just another form of cavalry then I wouldn't go down that path. And Canterbury, you're idea of Camels creeching to scare horses is a good one, but still I havn't seen any anti-cavalry units for the haradrim, it's kinda like Rohan; they have no anti- cavalry forces, but they have the best horsemen. Likewise; the Haradrim have lots of cvalry and hardly any pikemen, making them a bit like an evil version of the Rohirrim, but with Mumakil, half-trolls, and Less heroes.

[m@tt]

Is this the right place to ask how far this mod is?????

I,ve followed it for ages

The Ask the Modders thread is more suited to that type of question (dont repost though) however the answer is not even the staff know. There is a lot to do and we're doing it all in our spare time. Just keep on being patient, if you want another good mod try out Cel's Elven Alliance (also on these forums), check out all the updates on site and on the old forums (see my sig) and lastly, welcome to the forums

[hdh7]

I like the camel idea, they could be archers.

[Bart]

but aren't camels like...middle-eastern, whereas elephants are african/asian? it doesn't fit, because in my PoV:

rohan: vikings
gondor: romans
rhun: middle-eastern people
harad: africans
khand: russians??

Note: those are real generalistations, just for a general idea. And i'm, of course, in no way saying that e.g. Africans are evil like harad )

you know, mumaks breed with horses....

well, then i sure hope for the horse that it's the male

[Alsch]

The Harad people are based off of Arabs, not Africans. Camels fit that. I'm not just trying to forward the idea, but I had to correct it.

As for them being horse archers, I think they should be a melee cavalry, that would suck against normal infantry, with low trample damage, but a large bonus against their fellow cavalry.

Edited by Alsch, 21 February 2007 - 01:15 AM.

[Durin The Deathless]

the idea of camels for the haradrim is a very good one, but stillif they ae just another form of cavalry then I wouldn't go down that path. And Canterbury, you're idea of Camels creeching to scare horses is a good one, but still I havn't seen any anti-cavalry units for the haradrim, it's kinda like Rohan; they have no anti- cavalry forces, but they have the best horsemen. Likewise; the Haradrim have lots of cvalry and hardly any pikemen, making them a bit like an evil version of the Rohirrim, but with Mumakil, half-trolls, and Less heroes.

Just so long as the Rohirrim can kick Haradrim butt, Theoden hacked down the chieftain, and banner-bearer no problem, and the Rohirrim slaughtered their cavalry, even Faramir and the people retreating from Osgiliath gave them a run for their money.

[Olorin]

the idea of camels for the haradrim is a very good one, but stillif they ae just another form of cavalry then I wouldn't go down that path. And Canterbury, you're idea of Camels creeching to scare horses is a good one, but still I havn't seen any anti-cavalry units for the haradrim, it's kinda like Rohan; they have no anti- cavalry forces, but they have the best horsemen. Likewise; the Haradrim have lots of cvalry and hardly any pikemen, making them a bit like an evil version of the Rohirrim, but with Mumakil, half-trolls, and Less heroes.

They could be a variation of cavalry (not anti-), since Harad is more so focused on that. That's why I balanced them out in my suggestion: slower than normal cavalry, but more trample damage and more armour. Anyway, Far Harad could have access to them, so it's a mini-faction option.

but aren't camels like...middle-eastern, whereas elephants are african/asian? it doesn't fit, because in my PoV:

rohan: vikings
gondor: romans
rhun: middle-eastern people
harad: africans
khand: russians??

Note: those are real generalistations, just for a general idea. And i'm, of course, in no way saying that e.g. Africans are evil like harad )

But the Haradrim were a mixture of African, Asian and Middle-Eastern. They had horses and giant elephants, of which all three regions that I just mentioned used.

The Harad people are based off of Arabs, not Africans. Camels fit that. I'm not just trying to forward the idea, but I had to correct it.

As for them being horse archers, I think they should be a melee cavalry, that would suck against normal infantry, with low trample damage, but a large bonus against their fellow cavalry.

Yep, melee cavalry using swords. That would suit them best.

the idea of camels for the haradrim is a very good one, but stillif they ae just another form of cavalry then I wouldn't go down that path. And Canterbury, you're idea of Camels creeching to scare horses is a good one, but still I havn't seen any anti-cavalry units for the haradrim, it's kinda like Rohan; they have no anti- cavalry forces, but they have the best horsemen. Likewise; the Haradrim have lots of cvalry and hardly any pikemen, making them a bit like an evil version of the Rohirrim, but with Mumakil, half-trolls, and Less heroes.

Just so long as the Rohirrim can kick Haradrim butt, Theoden hacked down the chieftain, and banner-bearer no problem, and the Rohirrim slaughtered their cavalry, even Faramir and the people retreating from Osgiliath gave them a run for their money.

Both of them are balanced, and both of them would be able to kick each others butt if used correctly. Rohirrim relies on cavalry, allies (summons [I think]) and heroes, whereas Harad will rely on cavalry (including chariots), beasts (Mumaks mainly), and maybe archers.

[Uruk King]

but aren't camels like...middle-eastern, whereas elephants are african/asian? it doesn't fit, because in my PoV:

rohan: vikings
gondor: romans
rhun: middle-eastern people
harad: africans
khand: russians??

Note: those are real generalistations, just for a general idea. And i'm, of course, in no way saying that e.g. Africans are evil like harad )

I wouldn't think of the Rhoririm as vikings, I thought them more based on Angles and Saxons, not those pirates from the North. Now I agree with you about Gondor being based on th Romans, and rhun are based on middle-eastern people, but I would have thought that the Haradrim are a mixture of african tribes, and middle-eastern cultures.

[Olorin]

Probably best not to stereotype them with our cultures, otherwise it gets too confusing, and besides, most of them are mixed cultures (Harad, for example).

[Lauri]

hmf.... northern pirates my ass!!!

we get the clue!!! Vikings! that's where they (movie makers) got their inspiration.... if I remeber correctly....

anyways, this is about harad minifactions I don't like the idea of camels... simple as.

[Durin The Deathless]

Lemme just clear something up, Vikings were not pirates, and the Rohirrim had the greatest cavalry in Middle-earth since the First Age, the Haradrim shouldn't be able to pose any threat to the Rohirrim cavalry, the Gondorians cavalry could be equal if not slightly better than Haradrim, but the Rohirrim way of life was on horseback, so you think they could crush anyone else on a horse.

[Barak]

The Rohirrim are based on the Saxons in England around 1066. Tolkien is supposed to have thought of them as harold's saxon army + cavalry. Tolkien thought that was the reason they lost the battle of hastings as they had no cavalry.
sry for going a bit off topic

[Uruk King]

the Rohirrim had the greatest cavalry in Middle-earth since the First Age

I agree with you on the facct that the Rohirrim had the best cavalry by far, but allow me to register th fact that the Kingdom of Rohan came into existence in the year 2510 of the Third Age.

But back on the topic. I have some unit suggestions for the Umbar, Khand, and Far harad minifactions:

Umbar:

Coarsairs of Umbar
Coarsair Crossbows (acurate archers)
Umbar Guard (elite spearmen)
City Ballista

Far Harad:

Troll-men (Heavy swordsmen)
Tribesmen (Light Spears)
Redsand Archers (Versatile Archers)

Khand

Warband (Shocktroops)
Warlord (berserker unit)

That was the best I could think of, but I will leave it up to the team of course.

Edited by Uruk King, 21 February 2007 - 05:55 PM.

[Celeglin]

Probably best not to stereotype them with our cultures, otherwise it gets too confusing, and besides, most of them are mixed cultures (Harad, for example).

Soooo freaking true.

the Rohirrim had the greatest cavalry in Middle-earth since the First Age

I agree with you on the facct that the Rohirrim had the best cavalry by far, but allow me to register th fact that the Kingdom of Rohan came into existence in the year 2510 of the Third Age.

I'm quite sure he knew that. I believe he meant that Middle-Earth had not seen a cavalry force as strong as the Rohirrim since the First Age.

[Alsch]

Think of the Rohirrim's connection with their horses as those of the Mongols, many of whom literally lived in the saddle.

[hdh7]

I have an idea for Umbar: the coarsair crossbow, a small balliasta in units of 2 or 3, would be quite mobile, have a small seige attack, and would be best against infantry, sort of a sniper unit.

[Alsch]

The ballista is an okay idea, but I think they should come individually, even if they are only anti-infantry. The crowsbows, however, I don't really like, as it's too much like Isengard.

[Olorin]

the Rohirrim had the greatest cavalry in Middle-earth since the First Age

I agree with you on the facct that the Rohirrim had the best cavalry by far, but allow me to register th fact that the Kingdom of Rohan came into existence in the year 2510 of the Third Age.

But back on the topic. I have some unit suggestions for the Umbar, Khand, and Far harad minifactions:

Umbar:

Coarsairs of Umbar
Coarsair Crossbows (acurate archers)
Umbar Guard (elite spearmen)
City Ballista

Far Harad:

Troll-men (Heavy swordsmen)
Tribesmen (Light Spears)
Redsand Archers (Versatile Archers)

Khand

Warband (Shocktroops)
Warlord (berserker unit)

That was the best I could think of, but I will leave it up to the team of course.

I really like the name "Redsand Archers". It got me thinking for some of my own ideas...

The ballista is an okay idea, but I think they should come individually, even if they are only anti-infantry. The crowsbows, however, I don't really like, as it's too much like Isengard.

I'll have to go with you on that. But I can see where Uruk King got the crossbow idea from - the ballistae on the Corsair ships. So in a vague way it sorta makes sense, but still I don't like it.

[Bard]

Although I cannot affirm the possible integration of the aforementioned unit concepts into the Haradrian war effort, I have taken a very keen interest on the nature of the Far Haradrian unit designated 'Redsand Archers'.
Please, further explain the differences that this incarnation might possess from that of the Rome: Total War Modification, The Fourth Age Total War's version. I'd like to hear more.

Edited by Bard, 22 February 2007 - 06:27 AM.