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[Myrdin]

axetrhrowers are best basic counter vs everything, soo i dont really see why should they call orcs, they suck even as cheap meatshield ( though i call them for they have nice dmg )

[tylerman29]

ye but doesnt ai just buid anyhting? they dont pick the best its randomized isnt it?

[Devon]

No...they definitely spam the good units...like siege...

[tylerman29]

thats what i mean they spam that stufff but dont support with other lowly grunt units.

[Myrdin]

axethrowers are able to do sweet dmg to heroes, and biuldings as well. soo they are good counter against early heroes ( especially hobbits ).

i personally like these guys, are good, and not too OP nor expensive, togather with few, gundabad orc thrall masters, they can do nice rampage, in early game

[tylerman29]

lol i have never used angmar so i wouldnt know(ill try them after scool )

[mike_]

Axethrowers...not very realistic

[Myrdin]

sure, and the indian aborigines in old America, using light tomahawks as ranged weapon were just fiction too ?
( though they were wery skilled in bow too, especially riding on horse and shooting )

btw . . . maybe we could make use of how they looked, for some barbarian models, or as inn units ( another dunland units, as inn faction, i could make a list of these, like i did ToG (Tribes of Gundabad) for Angmar ).

[mike_]

Aborigines are the idengenious tribes of Australia.
Anyway, your point that some tribes of North America used "light tomahawks" in warfare is true. However, they were indeed only light weapons used against targets at a distance of at most five yards away. They were also light weapons - they were rarely heavy or lethal enough to kill a man outright.
So, if anything, they should be represented as a rechargeable, relatively weak ranged ability. Not as a unit.
Cheers,
-mike

[Myrdin]

rarely able to kill a human ? you say ?!

hahahahaa

i wonder if YOU would survive being hit in head with 5kg sharped stone axe, try it and if you survive, i will bow once before you

[Devon]

1. Armor
2. Acurracy

[dojob]

Lol, nobody wore armor back then Colorful coats don't count as armor

However, in LotR, where people do have armor and shields and stuff, I suppose a soldier could survive a tomahawk if it hit their shield, but if it smacked them directly, it would at least leave a nasty gash that would probably be enough to severely wound the guy or utterly mess up his armor where he got hit.

If you want to be realistic, however (which is nonsense when we're talking about a game/universe with trolls and dragons), I suppose we could replace ax throwers with a raider unit armed with torches/axes that could have an ax-throw ability (which would be enough to damage the enemy pretty good but needs to be close). They'd have to normally suck in melee combat vs normal units and be anti-building/anti-siege weapon specialists or else their role would conflict with that of Gundabad Orcs.

[Devon]

I'm just saying, it would be hard to accuractly throw a spinning axe so that the sharp end would be the one to hit, and rather hard to hit the face of a target

[Fyro11]

I'm just saying, it would be hard to accuractly throw a spinning axe so that the sharp end would be the one to hit, and rather hard to hit the face of a target

The same way 'throwing knives' are? If you was trained, I don't think it would've been difficult at all...

[mike_]

Yes...tomahawks, unless sticking a man in the spine/neck/face, wouldn't kill him instantly. It would of course leave a horrible rent in his flesh/bone, that would probably kill him soon, but it wouldn't be an instant kill.
Also, the most that were ever carried at a time were at most three, not a quiver full.
I support the idea of a "raiders" unit.
Cheers,
-mike

[Myrdin]

I'm just saying, it would be hard to accuractly throw a spinning axe so that the sharp end would be the one to hit, and rather hard to hit the face of a target

as fyro says : training

and of course the physical rules of flying objects

yeh but what elfh. says is true, would be stupid ( unreal ) to bear a full quiver of axes all the time ( though its not hard to take them after battle - lotr explanation )

i dont like the raider idea, or better to say it sounds too much like Dunlandings . .. . - why not make them throw TORCHES ?!
it would be same like with siege, they would throw them indirectly, more like targeted ground ( could ignite )

Edited by Myrdin, 04 May 2008 - 10:11 AM.

[Uruk King]

Aye, that sounds more like an upgrade, plus a toggle.

Instead of axes, javelins

[Fyro11]

why not make them throw TORCHES ?!
it would be same like with siege, they would throw them indirectly, more like targeted ground ( could ignite )

Corsairs of Umbar...

[dojob]

Why on earth are you using realism in your arguments? You can't seem to remember that this is a fantasy world with trolls, dragons, and wizards. and there are just too many "woulds" and "ifs" and considering that realism has been out the window for a long time, I'd rather have what's fun than what's "realistic".

And yes, I'll stick to my raider idea since i'd rather have that than a unit that works exactly like corsairs but with no knife toggle.

Edited by dojob, 04 May 2008 - 01:08 PM.

[tylerman29]

at least someone agrees with me^