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#4321 Handepsilon

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 12:17 AM

Iirc those two ain't shooting in transport.

Still, imagine transporting Banes with things like jackals. Also their IFV mode

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#4322 Fortranm

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 03:59 PM

It might be better to add "SelfHealing.EliteAmount=2" to all units with "SelfHealing=yes" (air units, heroes, etc) so that they self-heal in double speed after reaching elite, as if they get the self-healing benefit from elite status like other units do.

While this probably won't have many effects in skirmish, PvP, and base building missions, it should improve the experience in certain missions where the player doesn't have a base so that the time spent for units to heal while not doing anything at all can be halved.


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Posted 16 January 2019 - 10:22 PM

It might be better to add "SelfHealing.EliteAmount=2" to all units with "SelfHealing=yes" (air units, heroes, etc) so that they self-heal in double speed after reaching elite, as if they get the self-healing benefit from elite status like other units do.

While this probably won't have many effects in skirmish, PvP, and base building missions, it should improve the experience in certain missions where the player doesn't have a base so that the time spent for units to heal while not doing anything at all can be halved.

Good idea. This will greatly help the Irkalla, which is very difficult to fix; impossible if there are no Tech Machine Shops on the map.


Edited by Malver170, 16 January 2019 - 10:22 PM.


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Posted 16 January 2019 - 11:57 PM

I think Irkalla heals itself by default tho.

I mean Wolfhound does

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 03:49 AM

I have checked the gamefile, Sonar Pulse now only requires Allied Naval Shipyard to use, while Black Widow requires not only Tech Center but also Air Force Command HQ. However, the official changelog and website do not mention them at all. Which version are these changes made?


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 07:04 AM

They do heal themselves, but I think healing is not percentage-based, so elite Irkalla heals painfully slowly.

Speaking of IFVs and other open-topped vehichles: if in an elite (for example) IFV an intantry becomes elite, will the IFV get the plus (elite IFV+ elite XXX infantry) damage bonus?


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 07:30 AM

Nope

infantry only changes the mode. It contributes nothing else but the information of what mode it should use


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 12:58 PM

I think Irkalla heals itself by default tho.

I mean Wolfhound does

I Know. I've been thinking how to speed up her self-healing and repair. Thought about repairing with Repair Crane, Exp. Post and Risen Inferno, but it's impossible due to her height.



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Posted 17 January 2019 - 01:10 PM

I have checked the gamefile, Sonar Pulse now only requires Allied Naval Shipyard to use, while Black Widow requires not only Tech Center but also Air Force Command HQ. However, the official changelog and website do not mention them at all. Which version are these changes made?

For Sonar Pulse, it was changed during 3.3.0. For the Black Widow, I am unsure, but it may be a v3.3.4 change that was undocumented.


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 02:50 PM

 

I have checked the gamefile, Sonar Pulse now only requires Allied Naval Shipyard to use, while Black Widow requires not only Tech Center but also Air Force Command HQ. However, the official changelog and website do not mention them at all. Which version are these changes made?

For Sonar Pulse, it was changed during 3.3.0. For the Black Widow, I am unsure, but it may be a v3.3.4 change that was undocumented.

 

Former solved but found more incorrect content about prerequisite given on official website:

1. Sweeper Drop requires additional Cloud Piercer.

2. Runway requires ACHQ instead of Allied T2 buildings, in addition to Tech Center, this is written wrong on building page, but tech tree display is correct.

3. Drakuv Soviet Lab requirement is not displayed on tech tree, only mentioned on support power page.

4. Said above, Sonal Pulse does not require Tech Center any longer since v3.3.

5. Tech Center description lacks of Black Widow additonal requirement mentioning just as Backwarp.


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#4331 TerumasaReal

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 03:38 PM

Something about Paladin Tank Destroyer voiceline:

 

It lacks of a piece of quote "Deutschland's finest", this is probably removed due to the old Tank Destroyer that uses the same quote appears as not only European but also American unit prior to v3.3.2. Since Tank Destroyer is now removed, this quote can be back now. It is reasonable to describe a pure European unit as made in Germany, just as PF's Black Eagle is made in South Korea.



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Posted 18 January 2019 - 01:10 AM

Well dunno, Paladin debuted in America as well really, if I remember correctly

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 03:59 AM

Well dunno, Paladin debuted in America as well really, if I remember correctly

I do not wanna say this, but please comprehend the lore clearly first then answer these suggestions, you have made a mistake about whether Scorpion Cell appear in The Conqueror days ago (though Speeder says their Lashers are appear on purpose). What you said is the Paladin from C&C: Generals. Player's Paladins in Insomnia are given by EA, it's nonsense to consider a unit that obtained from other faction as its own unit.

 

Last but not least, I just find and summarize the bugs and fuzzing settings currently have. As for whether these problems will solve, it's up to MM's own choice, in fact, I cannot decide them.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 06:35 AM

I haven't even played the US campaign in Generals, or that faction whatsoever, so assuming that I even refer to that game is very much false.

 

You do bring a good point that I need to clarify it first. My basis was that all Tank Destroyers in campaign were replaced by Paladins, so I had assumed that they appeared in Red Dawn Rising. However, after looking at the map thoroughly, I found no mention of the Paladin, which meant that I may have made an error there (again).


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 02:02 PM

Is it intentional that Observers can see cloaked/disguised units only if they are at the same team as the owner of said units (at least for AI-only battles in my case)? Disguised units don't seem to have this issue, though.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 03:08 PM

Regarding the Paladin TD debate, I'd like to point out that the original lore of the Tank Destroyer, being that it was developed by Germany to efficiently counter the Soviet's huge tank divisions breathing down their neck made perfect sense, and shouldn't be changed. It wouldn't make sense for the US to come up with such a vehicle, as it didn't really have to fear a ground invasion. Additionally, the TD being a European, more precisely German unit pays homage to IRL WW2, which is a nice touch. Actually, I'd really love to see the TD looking more like a StuG III or a Jagdpanther. Maybe something like this?  https://ppmforums.co...pic.php?t=35604


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Posted 21 January 2019 - 01:44 AM

Is it intentional that Observers can see cloaked/disguised units only if they are at the same team as the owner of said units (at least for AI-only battles in my case)? Disguised units don't seem to have this issue, though.


I don't think it is, really

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Posted 22 January 2019 - 07:28 PM

I haven't played Mental Omega since last summer because my computer died, so I don't know what all has changed. It would be cool to see more infantry units. Also, I was surprised to see that the Stolen MCV's and the Crate War setting was removed.



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Posted 23 January 2019 - 12:02 AM

Stolen MCV was kinda unbalanced anyways.

As for crate war, the new Bounty Hunt gotcha covered

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 02:29 PM

I think Irkalla heals itself by default tho.

I mean Wolfhound does

I Know. I've been thinking how to speed up her self-healing and repair. Thought about repairing with Repair Crane, Exp. Post and Risen Inferno, but it's impossible due to her height.
Hmmm...it's just a suggestion,but we could make a small aerial repair vessel to tackle this.
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