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[DIGI_Byte]

Passive Fear for Balrog is a great idea... I'll do that

ran away fear affecting the balrogs owners faction? and possible a cower fear for everyone else because thats what im talking about, just clarifiyng we have the same idea.

Edited by DIGI_Byte, 29 August 2008 - 12:02 AM.

[Nazgûl]

Indeed!

[Arthadan]

Thanks, yeah the Goblins REALLY needed more heroes. I will do one more for them, as I've removed the Drakes as "heroes". They're still in game though, but with other functions =)

If you think they need a strong hero, Tolkien wrote some lesser evil Maiar embodied themselved in Orc shape and attached themselves to it, because when embodied they gained more power over the matter of Arda. It's not clear if "Boldog" is the name of one of them or of the whole kind.

He could be the biggest and strongest of all goblins Heroes and have some funny summons as a pack of true Wargs.

[Nazgûl]

Found this...

Boldog was a name used by several Orc chieftains during the First Age. It is probable that Boldog was actually a title, given to lesser Maiar, servants of Morgoth, who had taken an Orcish hröa. Several Orc leaders, such as the Great Goblin from The Hobbit, might have been Boldogs.

The theory of Boldogs as Orc-shaped Maiar entered the legendarium at a relatively late state, and was not taken up in the published Silmarillion.

Some of these things may have been delusions and phantoms but some were no doubt shapes taken by the servants of Melkor, mocking and degrading the very forms of the children. For Melkor had in his service great numbers of Maiar, who had the power, as their Master, of taking visible and tangible shape in Arda. ('Morgoth's Ring', "Myths transformed", text X')
Boldog (…) is a name that occurs many times in the tales of the War. But it is possible that Boldog was not a personal name, and either a title, or else the name of a kind of creature: the Orc-formed Maiar, only less formidable than the Balrogs (Author's footnote to the text X)
Melkor had corrupted many spirits — some great as Sauron, or less as Balrogs. The least could have been primitive Orcs. (Author's note to text)
One known Boldog was killed during a raid on Doriath; Gothmog may have been another.

I think I'll let The Great Goblin stay the strongest one. They don't need that many heroes anyway. No faction does really, as I don't want SEE to be hero-based. It should be unit based and heroes should be "support" to their units, and not the other way around The only reason Men and Elves have so many heroes is cause they were already there...

[Lt Commander Chris]

I'll post in here since you asked, Nazgul. With my pesky balancing changes and my constant testing (yes I am trying to help, in reality ) some things that need changing about Moria; some you may know, some maybe not:

A) Fire Drakes
Problem with these is that they are too strong in their current role. They have a really evilly large amount of health, are very deadly to nearly all units, basically they plough through whatever the elves, men or dwarves throw at them (or anyone else!). Now this wouldn't be too bad, if not at all, but for the fact that Moria AI/player can acquire them very fast and in numbers and keep throwing them into battle, quickly wiping out loads of troops which take a long time to build no problems. Far too easy to get.

Suggestions:
Tone down their fire breath range/spread/frequency
Tweak their health/armour so its not as good
Make them harder to get and replace, both time-wise and monetarily

B) General units
Well, goblins suck, don't they? But don't get me wrong, they SHOULD suck. Their troops are small, quite weak and pathetically trained, BUT they have strength in overwhelming numbers, concealment in rocky and mountainous terrain and speed. Unfortunately, their weaknesses have been attended to, but not their strengths... Their current weakness is fine and canonical to the films, but to make it right:

Suggestions:
Keep their low health & armour and relatively low damage
Increase horde size OR (preferably) decrease build time and CP cost.

Post Scriptum to B):

I know you have not yet fully decided build times, but have many of them high for realism and gameplay, but on my suggestion for B) I would justify this; goblins (and orcs) advantage lies in speed and most importantly, numbers. They should be able to churn out many inferior and fodder-like infantry to match the fewer men, and even fewer elves, though they can be matched by the strength, equipment and skill of the latter, it relies on the player to be good - as in any game.

C) I may add more later, thanks for reading

[Gfire]

The Fire Drake stays at the treasure trove and guards it now, I think.

[Lt Commander Chris]

Let me just clarify.

No it doesn't. I'm running the latest version.

[Gfire]

I've seen a screen of it. It will be like that in 4.7, I think.

[SovietSoldier]

4.7 is not released yet,Lt.Commander Chris

[Lt Commander Chris]

So why are you using it for example!

[kraken]

So why are you using it for example!

I think that the reason is that in the next release (so when any changes that have been made will be implemented) the fire drakes will not be a proper unit. That means that your idea (which is pretty good) is solving an already solved problem

[Lt Commander Chris]

Good; as I said 'some you may know, some you may not'. It still leaves the others valid .

[Prince of the Dark Forest]

A few suggestions:

1. I think that Azog should have the current Great Goblin Model (aka Gorkil) and the Great Golbin should have the current Azog model because that model has really beefy arms and looks more ''great'' in terms of build that its current model.

2. The Cave Troll should have a hammer and if possible a chain (or is this already being done?)

3. Finally, the goblin hordes should be more varied. Currently, all of the units in a horde of basic infantry have helmets and same uniform. If we could make their weapons (e.g. different shaped sowrds/pikes etc.) different thorughout the horde like with some of the Mordor orc hordes, it would look much better. Right now, they look way too uniform. I suggest you remove the helmets of some of them, and give them a small green head with large eyes like in the films.

[Gfire]

1. I thought that Azog was already using Gorkil, ad the great goblin was the big one.

2. I thought of that, but I don't know how it would play. Perhaps if the Troll from the fellowship was a hero then he could get those powers. Too bad there isn't CaH cave trolls.

3. *tries to remember how they are now*

[Prince of the Dark Forest]

1. I thought that Azog was already using Gorkil, ad the great goblin was the big one.

2. I thought of that, but I don't know how it would play. Perhaps if the Troll from the fellowship was a hero then he could get those powers. Too bad there isn't CaH cave trolls.

3. *tries to remember how they are now*

1. Yeah, sorry, my bad. I just checked now...

2. Well, can't they just give the troll hammer from CaH to the cave troll model? (Sorry, I know nothing about modding this game, so I'm not sure what's possible and what's not)

3. The Goblin Pikemen for instance all have the same armour, weapon and helmet. Some should have a bit of armour, a different weapon, some without helmets, etc.

[Prince of the Dark Forest]

A few things which need to fixed in Moria:
-Warg pit is called Spider Pit when upgraded (''we've improved the spider pit'')
-Goblin Drummer is available from level 2 goblin cave when the upgrade says ''upgrade to level 3, allows training of Drummers and Goblin guard of Moria''
-Voiceover says 'More goblin warriors' when Goblin Drummers are recruited (Sound needs to be changed)
-Alpha Warg of pack has saddle on back, should be removed as it is a wild warg

EDIT: SOrry for the double post..

Edited by Prince of the Dark Forest, 17 October 2008 - 05:06 PM.

[Lauri]

needs to be fixed?
must be fixed?


or is it just bugs you found?
Sounds isn't that easy, as we don't have EA's actors to speak new ones..
The rest is fixable and Nazgul will probably fix them (at least the one about the drummers )

[Prince of the Dark Forest]

needs to be fixed?
must be fixed?


or is it just bugs you found?
Sounds isn't that easy, as we don't have EA's actors to speak new ones..
The rest is fixable and Nazgul will probably fix them (at least the one about the drummers )

I guess the sounds are easy, but they should at least remove them because they are incorrect. Better to not have it there than be wrong.

[Lauri]

Not always

Of course, someone could mix different sounds together to make new sounds, but I won't
like, take Warg from another sound, and mix it with the Spider pit...