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[mike_]

Good idea, but hasn't SEE already done it?


/notices the redundancy of that statement

[Devon]

Sure

[Ed Of The 3rd Kind]

Oh for goodness sake, have they done everything lol

[{IRS}Athos]

Oooh, great idea with the trolls...

[Dalf32]

as long as they turn back, thats a great idea!

[Shikari]

I was gonna suggest they didn't turn back because the side of me that likes game realism says NO. but the sensible side thinks that it might get a bit annoying if there are trolls littered everywhere... and maybe a bit OP.

I do have a slightly more constructive idea though. Maybe we have an Olog-Hai race upgrade at the troll-cage which boosts the size of trolls a bit, reduces the amount of damage they take from arrows and makes them invunerable to the sunlight power.

It'd be a pretty expensive upgrade, maybe 1500-2000 but would make trolls a bit stronger for late game and could be cool.

[Devon]

The problem with them not turning back is that sunbreak is a mapwide power...all the trolls on the map would just turn to stone, and that'd be kinda gay

[Ed Of The 3rd Kind]

that would work and we'd still have the coolness of seeing the trolls turn to stone, it's in one of their model condition states. I recommend everybody try it out, not sure if it works only for the cinematic units though

[Devon]

I'd rather just see them get an attack troll upgrade available at level 2.


Edit:Oh wait, this is gobbos Oops...well...idk then...don't think the goblins would have olog-hai

Edited by Yoda_, 10 January 2009 - 09:14 PM.

[mike_]

They were more to be found in Gorgoroth and Dul Guldor/Eaves of Mirkwood, so.. meh. I'm cool with it

[Argeleb]

Maybe seige weapons could crack them into pieces? That would look cool

[Hasfusel]

Cave Trolls aren't incredibly important or expensive to a Goblin player. Tolkein says that the mighty trolls of Mordor (the Olog-Hai) were resistant to sunlight, but Cave Trolls like Tom, Bill and Bert (who, in fact, were considered intellectuals for their ability of human speech and understanding what a number is) were turned back to the very stone they were made of. I'd say that Cave Trolls should be turned to stone for a while if not forever by any light-based attack such as Sunlight, Gandalf's Istari Light or the Light of the Havens attack I want for Glorfindel.

[Ed Of The 3rd Kind]

I second that

[Devon]

Cave Trolls aren't incredibly important or expensive to a Goblin player.

I disagree. They're goblins early to mid-late game siege units, and they're the goblins main 'cavalry' until you get late game spider riders because they're the only other units that can trample, except for mountain giants. And while they only got 700, they have a very long build time, which makes them quite hard to get in numbers.


So, I'd like to see it temporary, maybe longer than the actual power lasts, but not permanent.

[Uruk King]

Cave Trolls aren't incredibly important or expensive to a Goblin player.

I disagree. They're goblins early to mid-late game siege units, and they're the goblins main 'cavalry' until you get late game spider riders because they're the only other units that can trample, except for mountain giants. And while they only got 700, they have a very long build time, which makes them quite hard to get in numbers.


So, I'd like to see it temporary, maybe longer than the actual power lasts, but not permanent.

I second that, but I also third the idea of non Olog-hai trollsturning to stone from light attack.

I also want spider riders gone, players may value them but they just aren't Tolkien, and warg riders to fill the roles of the spider riders, with heavy armour. I also hope that

[Devon]

Oh yeah, they're going to be replaced by warg riders, but right now they're still in game, so I used them as my example.

[Dalf32]

yeah, if youve ever played a brutal goblins ai, you know how important cave trolls are; and how annoying they can be
id like to see this applied over to some of the other light-based powers, but i still dont want it to be permanent, that makes it a bit op.
having them only attackable by siege while in their stone-state would be nice though.

[Devon]

I remember the first time I played goblins in 1.06...I had like 2 hordes of archers, and their first unit was a cave troll.

[Scryer]

Care to explain your "Light of the Havens" attack in the Elves thread, Hasfusel?

On Topic: I do agree with what yoda said.

[Rafv Nin IV]

yeah, if youve ever played a brutal goblins ai, you know how important cave trolls are; and how annoying they can be

That brings back bad memories of five-hour games, Dalf... Can't even get to them, because they've got so many goblin warriors and archers. You can reach 'em with battlewagons, but battlewagons can't take trolls out; they get owned whenever they stop moving. Combine that with slow-moving dwarves, and not enough archer heroes...